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The Damage Of The Dog Whisperer

  • 07/06/2014
millan-finger.pngI’ve now been training dogs for a decade. I find Cesar Millan’s training theory and advice appalling. As a scientist, it is obvious that his factual statements and derived conclusions are entirely wrong. As a trainer, I can tell how stressed and unhappy - not cured - the dogs portrayed on his show are. It’s covered up by rhetoric, the soundtrack and a voiceover. Tens of scientists, trainers and behavioral science organizations have spoken out against his theories. I’ve seen dogs mistreated by well-meaning owners who took his advice unquestioningly. I wrote this paper as a cumulative work for an intensive independent study last year on canine cognition and applied training theory.

Please read this. Even if you don’t own a dog. Then share it. The only way to help a lot of misinformed owners and mistreated dogs is by making the correct information known.

(I had to omit footnotes because it was ridiculous, but I’m happy to provide specific references/page numbers upon request.)

INTRODUCTION

Theories of canine psychology and training derived from legitimate behavioral science have progressed greatly in the last fifty years. Unfortunately, the public’s most beloved source of information – The Dog Whisperer by Cesar Millan - advocates a theory in direct opposition to this progress. For the last eight years, Cesar Millan has put forth an abusive training theory predicated on disproven science, fallacious logic, and incorrect assumptions. Described by a New York Times affiliate as a “one-man wrecking ball directed at 40 years of progress in understanding and shaping dog behavior[1],” Millan mixes an overly simplistic and incorrect view of canine social structures with a lack of scientific knowledge. His philosophy centers around two main theories; that canines have an innate and ingrained need to function according to a ‘wolf-pack’ social structure, and that dogs need to live ‘as they did in nature’, before human intervention. Because the concept of dominance theory is central to Millan’s training philosophy, many other crucial aspects of a dog’s environment and psyche that should be addressed when dealing with behavioral issues are completely ignored. As a result of the Dog Whisperer’s popularized methods, many dogs with simple issues are handled badly and likely abused in the name of ‘pack theory’. The worst part is that the entire situation could be avoided easily. It requires only a small amount of research into the social and psychological lives of the common canine to understand where Millan’s theory goes wrong. 

MILLAN’S BACKGROUND

Millan openly admits that he has no scientific background. An immigrant from Mexico who never went to college, he has had no formal education in any biological or psychological science. The extent of his background is a short period working as a veterinary technician as a teenager in Mazatlan[2] and a period of self-education from dog psychology books popular in the 1980’s [3].  Rather than see this as a problem to be rectified, Millan touts his lack of training as almost another credential. It is a badge of pride for him – he maintains that his work stems from an intuitive knowledge of dogs’ universal ‘language of energy’, which he feels even schooled scientists and most trainers can’t seem to understand. To the uneducated layperson this might be a convincing argument. However, Millan’s lack of any sort of scientific background and the absence of scientific credibility supporting his beliefs means that his theory is built on a combination of outdated behavioral science amalgamated with old-wives’ tales and quasi-scientific concepts.

Millan‘s ‘pack’ theory is not only demonstrably incorrect when applied to domesticated canines, but also did not even exist in the ‘wolf ancestors’ that he draws it from. He holds to the romantic ideal that we need to help dogs return to their ‘wild nature’ and to supplement their lifestyles according to how they would live in a world without human intervention. Millan does not take into account the fact that dogs would have not have evolved into the animals they are today without interaction with of humans[4]. Therefore there is no such thing as “the balance they would achieve naturally in a world without human influence.[5]” Throughout his books he makes statements that are patently false; many of these errors relate directly to his inadequate understanding of canine psychology and behavior, such as the idea that domesticated canines ‘in the wild’ would routinely execute the frail and feeble [6]. These misconceptions lead to serious flaws in his methodology.

MILLAN’S WOLF PACK ANALOGY

Central to Millan’s philosophy (and foremost in his use of incorrect science) is the belief that dogs are motivated by the need to be part of a stable pack hierarchy. He asserts that “a dog’s pack is his life force. The pack instinct is his primal instinct. His status in the pack is his self, his identity. Pack is all important to a dog because if anything threatens the pack’s harmony, it threatens each individual dog’s harmony.”[7]

Millan suggests that while dogs are not wolves[8], a lot can be learned by observing these canine ancestors. However, he never distinguishes between the two in his theory of ‘pack’ and uses examples of (often incorrect) wolf behavior as direct analogies to the behavior of domesticated canines. He believes that by taking the role of ‘pack leader’, or alpha, for himself, “their deepest, most primal instinct guides them to follow [him]… to obey [him], and to cooperate with one another.[9]” Unfortunately, there are numerous problems inherent to Millan’s ‘pack theory’, not the least of which is that the dominance-based theory of wolf-pack structure is not biologically correct. It was created by a Nazi scientist as a way of justifying their eugenics campaign in the 1930s and 1940s.[10]

Research has shown that wolves do not actually live in a dominance-based hierarchy as Millan and many others like to assume. The belief that wolves function in a dominance hierarchy can be traced back to the Victorian era. During this time, ideas about the ‘right of the strong’ were perpetuated by influential writers such as Nietzsche and Kipling, often with analogies to wild predators like wolves.[11] The Nazis co-opted this rhetoric of ‘man as predator’ and Nietzsche’s references to a ‘Teutonic blonde beast’ that inspired terror. During this time, Konrad Lorenz, funded by the Nazi party, tried to justify eugenic measures in human populations by comparing the genetics and behavior of wild and domesticated animals – especially canines. He based this work primarily on Nietzsche’s comparisons of human civilization with the domestication of animals. After the end of the Nazi era, the theories of wolf behavior and that of other wild canines put forth by Lorenz in King Solomon’s Ring closely paralleled Nazi ideology: wolves are seen as far-ranging and powerful, devoted to the pack and willing to defend it to the death. In contrast, jackals and their metaphorically Semitic descendants, while intelligent, lack the obedience and loyalty to the group which made wolves supreme.[12] Humans are well-known for projecting their own social structures onto the animals they study, and by using wolves as a metaphor for Nazi ideals Lorenz projected the Nazi structure of absolute rigid rank onto wolf packs. Just like the Nazi structure he adored, Lorenz decided wolves operated in a distinct hierarchical structure, where each wolf adhered to a strict rank – submissive to those above him, ruthless to those underneath.[13] Because he is considered one of the founders of modern ethology, much of Lorenz’s work was accepted as fact for years.  In light of the Nobel Prize he won for his work, the origins of his philosophy were never effectively questioned until after his death.  This is the beginning of the modern myth of dominance-structured wolf packs.

MODERN UNDERSTANDING OF WOLF PACK STRUCTURE

Today it is well understood in the scientific community that Lorenz’s theory of wolf pack structure is entirely wrong. When forced into captivity with other unrelated wolves, a dominance hierarchy will form among the individuals as a way of keeping order – as with almost any group of unrelated individuals within a species who are forced into unnatural proximity.[14] But thanks to David L. Mech, we know that in the wild, wolf packs are simple nuclear family units, led by a mating pair and containing multiple generations of pups.[15] As pups grow up and come to sexual maturity they disperse, find a mate, and create their own pack. Within a pack there is often a non-rigid hierarchy between siblings, which is due more to individual personalities than to any sort of need for violence and dominance within the pack.[16] Nowhere is Lorenz’s idea of a violent and rigid social structure observed. Lone wolves do exist, but not because they are outcasts or martyrs –such situations arise, for example, when there might not be enough prey in the area to support a larger group or when the wolf hasn’t found a mate yet. Aggressive wolves are reprimanded and socialized by the group, not outcast. Wolves living together in the wild are close family units, into which strangers are rarely ever admitted. Within the larger group ofcanidae, the definition of a pack is a nuclear family unit that hunts and defends a territory together.[17]

Thus wolf packs in nature don’t behave with anything like the ‘pack structure’ that Cesar Millan maintains exist in dogs. There is no such entity as a dominant ‘pack leader’ – the closest that exists is the oldest pair of wolves, who are generally the parents of all other wolves in the pack. They lead by example and experience, not by physically dominating their offspring. By preaching that “in a pack, there are only two roles; the role of leader and role of follower,[18]” Millan is completely ignoring the fact that wolf packs function on a family dynamic. He teaches owners that dogs have an ingrained pack mentality and writes that “If you’re not asserting leadership over your dog, your dog will try to compensate by showing dominant or unstable behavior[19].” This leads to the creation of many dangerous situations where a dog that is not showing aggressive behavior will be misread by its owner and its real problems ignored, or an owner will attempt to dominate a dog that is showing aggressive behavior. Both are prime ways for the owner and dog to get hurt – entirely because Millan has misrepresented the situation and the solution.

ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS WITH MILLAN’S IDEAS AND METHODS

There is a crucial error in Millan’s thinking even more important than incorrect wolf science: he completely ignores recent research that shows that the domestic dog is not a pack animal[20]. He cannot ‘lead the pack like an alpha wolf’[21] because in domestic dog society no role of the sort exists. Free-ranging urban dogs spend the majority of their time either wandering alone or with a singular companion.[22] Groups larger than three dogs are rare - and when they do exist, they are not a ‘pack’ because they are fluid groupings of individuals rather than stable family units. These groupings of dogs consist of temporary gatherings of essentially solitary animals that don’t derive benefit from group living.[23] Because the major dangers to feral dogs are cars and poisoning, there is no reproductive advantage to living in a group, for either protecting pups or hunting for food. In fact, domestic dogs are notoriously bad at hunting – hundreds of years of human influence have disconnected them from the behavioral sequence of a true hunter[24]. Domestic dogs that have turned feral survive as scavengers, not hunters. [25] This is the most economic state for a feral dog – unlike wolves:  a dog does not have to travel for miles on end to find food. In fact, free-ranging dogs barely forage at all – living around humans provides enough food that most dogs spend about 80% of the day playing, sleeping, or lazing around.[26]  Science has shown that domestic dogs don’t behave like wolves or function on the same social continuum that wolves do, so it is ludicrous that Millan has based an entire theory on the fallacious assumption that dogs are akin to wolves. His view that “dogs in the wild have [the natural ability] simply to be dogs, to live in a stable, balanced pack[27]” is simply wrong.

Many of Millan’s other assertions are also incorrect. He teaches that owners should always eat before their dogs, because the alpha leader in a pack should always eat first and most – after all, he says, if wolves kill a deer the pack leader gets the biggest piece[28] and the most submissive wolf always eats last.[29] This is incorrect:  it has been shown that wolves in the wild that catch large prey eat simultaneously. Small prey is generally devoured by whomever captures it.[30] Domestic dogs are foragers and scavengers rather than hunters and because they are generally alone, whatever they find, they eat. Because he believes that dogs hunt like wolves, Millan contends that dogs must do so as well in order to be fulfilled in their ‘purpose’. Since “the need to hunt… is hardwired into wolves”[31] it is “natural for them to expect to work for their food.”[32] However, free-ranging dogs in their natural habitats barely work for their food and spend most of their time ‘goofing off’. Therefore, requiring owners to eat before their dog is unnecessary - the supposed hierarchy it creates does not exist in any canine social group.

Even more egregious are other statements that are completely without basis in fact.  One example is the claim that pit bulls were bred for fighting bulls,[33] when in reality the term ‘pit bull’ has been used to describe any dog used for pit-fighting. Millan seems to believe that dogs are as ruthless as humans and says that “dogs don’t feel sorry for the frail and the feeble. They attack and execute them.”[34] Such blatant factual errors call Millan’s already tenuous credibility into serious question.

Evolution Of The Domestic Dog

Millan says that “nature designed [dogs] for a purpose, and that inbred desire for purpose does not go away when we bring them into our homes.”[35] However, in this and many other statements, he seems to forget that interaction with humanity – not natural selection – created the domesticated dog[36]. Throughout both of his books, Millan preaches that his goal is to “help dogs receive both structure and intensive physical activity to help dogs achieve the kind of balance they would if they lived naturally, in a world without human influence.”[37] There is no such thing as a world in which the domestic dog could live without human influence.

Humans and the domestic dog co-evolved starting thousands of years ago.[38] The original theory was that proto-humans decided wolves could be useful, stole a number of pups, and reared them. They would then have intentionally bred the tamest individuals, and eventually ended up with the modern dog. However, this theory does not hold water on further  investigation.

While it isn’t unreasonable to think that early humans might have captured wolf pups and tried to rear them, taming wolves is extremely difficult and the resulting adult would have been hard to handle.[39] Early humans were migratory, and would not have stayed in a particular area long enough to influence the genetics of the nearby wolf population even if they did exert slight control over the breeding of wild wolves. It is much more likely that some wolves ‘chose’ to domesticate themselves. As humans began to create temporary settlements instead of migrating constantly, trash would have accumulated. The wolves in nearby populations who were less wary of humans would have learned to conserve energy by accessing this easy-to-find food.[40] At that point, natural selection would have taken over and these less-fearful wolves would have begun to differ from those that were still completely wild.[41] Over time a tame type of wolf would have developed. During this process, it was likely that humans would have recognized the reciprocal benefits of having such predators around the camp. The camp would have been cleaner; resulting in fewer vermin and less disease, and the presence of the proto-dogs would have warded off other predators.[42]

Eventually, humans would have realized that they could influence the temperament of these creatures they lived with – and maybe even make use of them – and begun to intervene in the breeding process, resulting in the creature we know today as the domesticated dog.[43] Without the presence of humans and their debris, wolves would never have had the opportunity to evolve into dogs. A domesticated dog’s ‘natural habitat’ is anywhere that humanity is – in cities, towns and homes.[44] It’s not possible for a domesticated dog to return to its humanity-free roots, as they never existed in the first place. Millan advocates this romanticized idea of domestication because of its appeal to the layperson, but it has no factual basis.

Flooding and Positive Punishment

When The Dog Whisperer first aired on September 13, 2004, it was shown despite the vehement protests of veterinarians, trainers, behaviorists and other experts who reviewed the show prior to its release.[45] All who spoke out against Millan’s methods understood that his theories were based on outdated science, and that the training solutions he promoted had been proven to create or increase aggressive behaviors[46],[47]. His main techniques are flooding and positive punishment, both of which are unpleasant and often traumatic. These techniques go directly against all sets of professional dog training guidelines, which state that less invasive techniques (i.e, without pain or force) must be competently tried and exhausted before more invasive techniques are attempted.[48]

Flooding is an exposure to something that provokes a stimulus (either aggression or fear) until the animal simply stops reacting. In one episode of The Dog Whisperer, Millan drags a Great Dane terrified of shiny floors onto the surface he feared using a choke chain, ‘flooding’ him with the stimulus. The dog was under extreme stress, as documented by excessive drooling and body posture.[49] The dog collapsed from fear and eventually stopped struggling – the results of a phenomenon known as ‘learned helplessness’, which occurs when an animal repeatedly exposed to an aversive stimulus learns it has no escape. Whether or not the animal is cured, flooding puts it under extreme amounts of stress and runs a huge risk for traumatizing the animal. It has always been considered a cruel method of treatment whether used on humans or animals. Some dogs may become so traumatized by flooding that they become aggressive and dangerous for the average person to handle.

Also an aggression risk, positive punishment is the application of an unpleasant stimulus as a consequence for behavior, and it is generally considered an entirely inappropriate method for dealing with any behavioral problem that is based in aggression or anxiety. Positive punishment quells the symptoms of a problem but does not eliminate the cause of the behavior. In another controversial episode of The Dog Whisperer, a Rottweiler was punished by being kicked for “showing aggression” on a walk; the ensuing struggle resulted in the handler being bitten more than once and the dog being nearly asphyxiated as punishment for biting.[50]

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Both these techniques are not only unhealthy for the animals involved, but they are also extremely dangerous for the handler. Any animal that is scared or forced into an aggressive state is more likely to bite. During the course of his show, Millan repeatedly gets bitten by the dogs he’s working with and is proud of it. Alexandra Semyonova, one of the many behaviorists who have openly spoken out against Millan, attributes this to what she calls ‘Lion Tamer Syndrome’: “There are thousands of us out here working with ‘aggressive’ dogs every day and not getting bit,” she says:

This isn’t because we intimidate or terrorize the dogs even better than Mr. Millan does, but because we understand them… if Mr. Millan is worried the dog won’t get aggressive, he does something to make it do so. The dog must be aggressive, and the more aggressive it is, the greater an authority the trainer must be… The Lion Tamer Syndrome is not, not ever, about competence in training animals. It’s more a kind of pissing contest between humans. And the more a human engages in it, the less s/he generally really knows about the animal involved.[51]

Attesting to this, at the beginning of each show, a disclaimer reminds owners not to try his techniques at home. Many professionals who speak out against Millan say that, bad science aside, any dog training show that considers its methods so dangerous that it needs such a disclaimer should not be on the air.[52],[53]

           One Size Fits All

Even more worrying then the specific techniques is the ‘one size fits all’ approach Millan takes. To Millan, every behavioral problem is rooted in dominance and pack hierarchy, which ignores a dog’s true mental state. Regardless of whether the dog is fearful, anxious, excited, or has severe psychological issues, Millan diagnoses it as a dominance issue. [54] Even something as simple as an excited dog greeting its owner by jumping up is diagnosed as a dominant behavior[55] and Millan recommends dealing with this by stepping on the dog’s toes, throwing her to the ground, and forcibly rolling her over into a submissive posture and holding her there. That sort of ‘training’ can lead to further behavioral problems – the dog will stop jumping, but she’s also going to quickly become afraid of her owner’s apparently ‘random’ violence. Veterinary staff say they can always tell when dogs come in who have been subjected to dominance-based training, as they are often very fearful and aggressive towards people as a result.[56]

Dogs with actual mental disabilities often fare even worse. In yet another episode of The Dog Whisperer, Millan treats an Entlebucher Mountain Dog that has a compulsive disorder with a prong collar, ‘popping’ it every time the dog began a compulsive behavior. Dr. Andrew Luescher, the director of the Animal Behavior Clinic at Purdue University, compares this to abusing a child exhibiting stereotypic rocking behaviors. “The method Millan used to approach this problem would be like hitting this severely disturbed child each time it rocks. I bet you could suppress the rocking behavior, but certainly no-one would suggest that that child was cured.”[57] This is particularly disturbing because obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is known to be a neurochemical imbalance, and is therefore an undeniable medical condition. Nevertheless Millan advocates using punishment to control the behavior. Dr. Rachel Casey, Senior Lecturer in Companion Animal Behaviour and Welfare at Bristol University considers the blanket assumption that every dog is “motivated by some innate desire to control people and other dogs” ridiculous.[58] None of the dogs in the examples above were displaying any signs of dominance – all of them had entirely legitimate reasons for their abnormal behavior that were completely ignored by Millan. Many trainers call his reasoning and techniques “outdated, needlessly harsh, often cruel, and dangerous.”[59] Those who were trained to use the same techniques say that when science proved them to be ineffective and cruel, they quickly switched philosophies and have had far more success ever since.[60],[61],[62]

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SUMMARY/CONCLUSION/PROFESSIONAL CONCLUSIONS REGARDING MILLAN

In his review, submitted to National Geographic before The Dog Whisperer was ever aired, Dr. Andrew Luescher stated that the show “would be a major embarrassment… as my colleagues and I and innumerable leaders in the dog training community have worked now for decades to eliminate such cruel, ineffective (in terms of true cure) and inappropriate techniques.”[63] In criticizing the program, the director of The SF/SPCA Academy for Dog Trainers goes even farther, saying that “a profession that has been making steady gains in its professionalism, technical sophistication and humane standards has been greatly set back.”[64] Set back how far? Easily twenty years, according to the letter written to National Geographic by Dr. Nicholas Dodman.[65] Outcry against Millan’s methods has come from all corners of the scientific world. His methods are outdated, dangerous, and scientifically baseless. Not only is Millan himself abusing animals, but he is perpetuating incorrect scientific knowledge throughout common media, leading to the mistreatment of thousands more animals. Any small amount of research would make it clear to a nonscientific layperson that dogs are not wolves, and in no way function on the dominance-centered hierarchy that Millan espouses as the basis of his theories. While entertaining and charismatic, The Dog Whisperer is the worst thing to happen to the domestic canine in recent history.

Editor's Disclaimer: I did not write this insightful piece. Authored by Rachel Garner ...

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Comments (184)

Jerry
Said this on 21/04/2015 At 01:44 am

I have been raising and training dogs for over 50 years and I  have been using CM theories and techniques for all that time.  Of course CM was not around then.  I learned a long time ago that  academia was usually  wrong.  In addition I spent over 10 years working with three wild wolves in  the 1960s and there is absolutely a pack mentality and an alpha male in every pack.  As CM points out, the problem is usually not with the dog but with the human owners who want the dog to be a human and not a dog.  If you have never worked with dogs, don't knock those who have.

 

 

Bec
Said this on 20/04/2015 At 11:23 pm

I've read some of the comments and understand their opinion. Yes, some of his techniques work, but. a lot of things are hidden behind the scenes of what he does!!!

The hold down by the neck to be dominent....NO!

Carolyn
Said this on 24/04/2015 At 10:09 am

Millan uses this technique only in cases where the dog is extremely dominant and difficult. He does NOT do it just to show dominance.

Said this on 20/04/2015 At 11:20 pm

Simply stop arguing and watch the body language exhibited by the dogs that CM works with. Are they happy, waggng, tongue lolling and eyes soft? No.

Their ears are pinned, their tails still, their eyes wide and watchful. Ten minutes of being "worked" by CM renders them not compliant but exhausted and confused. Most of the time they have no idea what it is that he wants, only that they are doing SOMETHING wrong.

Violence begets violence and it is no less true of dogs than people.

Max Steele
Said this on 27/04/2015 At 08:44 pm

"Their ears are pinned, their tails still, their eyes wide and watchful." Sounds a lot like a dog that is showing obedience and eagerness to follow the next directive. I get that from my pooch EVERY TIME we play fetch. 10 mins of being worked by CM, and the dog is totally ready to tackle any job their given. Why? Trust was built and leadership established. 

"Are they happy, wagging, tongue lolling and eyes soft? No." That's because they weren't being played with, they were being trained. Training and play is different, thus bringing different body language. 

"Violence begets violence and it is no less true of dogs than people." Caesar uses an acceptable amount of force when training dogs. This force is unfortunatley open to a wide speculation of opinion. That being said, he never personally has injured a dog using excess violence.

My point here is... you and I see the same thing happening on the screen, but you and I both interpret it differently. You believe he's violent and abusive. I believe the opposite.

Tamimi
Said this on 20/04/2015 At 09:25 am

Hi,

I do not assume assume any bad intention on both sides of the argument but, calling someone a fool or whatever because they have a different opinion is a loss argument.

Having been involved in rehoming and working with dogs for 2 years only. I found Cesar's method to be very effective. It helped me allot in dealing with stranger dogs. Plus, he managed to sort out helpless cases of Dogs that were otherwise going to be put to DEATH. 

Criticizing his method is valid and productive but, criticizing Cesar himself or his background has no meaning.

Cheers 

Cheryl Huerta
Said this on 20/04/2015 At 09:42 pm

Any person that begins their blog, article or schpeel with berating someone else, putting someone else down or claiming that what someone else is doing is abusive is NOT going to get any of my time or my attention.  I did NOT read the long winded article beyond the first paragraph of this piece for that very reason.

As someone who utilizes information I have amassed from many different 'methods' of dog training with great sucess I must say that Mr. Millan gives dog owners simple, practical and very effective tips on how to handle our dogs that I have found to be extremely HUMANE and effective in helping me be the owner that my dogs need me to be so that they can exhibit the best behavior possible at home and outside my home. 

I am a pit bull advocate who has been in many, many, many heated discussions with many, many, many people who like the author of this article HATE Mr. Millan and will do or say anything that they can think of to discredit him or make him look like a monster who kicks, hits, chokes and abuses dogs.

One of the Cesar Millan haters is a certified dog trainer who has job of assessing canine behavior in a county shelter...a pretty high kill county shelter where several dogs that I personally know of were said to be so vicious and aggressive that the staff could not enter the kennel with them but who when pulled from the shelter by a rescue was found to be anything but vicious and aggressive but only anxious about being in the shelter (most of these 'vicious aggressive' dogs turned into easygoing well-behaved dogs immediately upon leaving the shelter complex).  This very same certified trainer who also has the power of life and death over animals in the shelter she works in commented on Facebook how sad she was because she found out that one of her PERSONAL dogs that she had to re-home because it didn't get along with her other dogs was not being treated as well as she had expected it to be.  This person is a dog trainer and a true Cesar Millan hater who not only is 'certified' but who is also in charge of behavior assessments in an animal shelter where many dogs are killed for 'behavioral' issues (mostly pit bull type dogs) and she is unable to help her own personal dogs live together in harmony.  HHhhmmm...interesting...that must mean that her method works best...

My personal opinion is that I will follow someone who I know for a fact has saved the lives of countless dogs that other trainers recommended be euthanized for behavioral issues and who also is capable of having a large number of dogs walk together and live together in harmony before I will follow a trainer that can't even figure out how to help her own personal dogs live together in harmony.  (I once said this to someone I was having one of those heated discussions with about Mr. Millan and her reply was, "well how do you know he can walk a group of dogs together in harmony?"  I was gobsmacked at that comment.  Do these haters really not pay attention?  Do they really believe that those large packs of dogs walking and living together in harmony that you see on the shows are CGI?  Do they really believe that what you see on his show is all smoke and mirrors?  Is their inability to have an open mind so huge that they can't see the results...better results than they get?)

Not every single dog can be helped but Mr. Millan and his methods help a LOT of dogs and in the end help a lot of people (people who are anxiety filled and fearful of what might happen, very much like 99% of the Cesar haters I've come across, who's lives have literally been changed for the better after learning how change themselves in order to handle their dogs).  My observations in the past four years that I've been in these heated, hate-filled discussions with people who hate Mr. Millan is that they are typically the kind of people who are emotionally damaged, overly sensitive, anxious, fearful and who would rather kill a dog due to behavioral issues than to change themselves within in order to help a dog overcome it's behavioral issues.  

All the science these Positive Reinforcement people try to use as a weapon against Mr. Millan means nothing as science is transient, always shifting, always changing, always improving and most importantly always DISPROVING past theories.  So those who claim that what they do is science based and scientificially proven are people who couldn't correctly assess a dog's behavior if their lives depended on it without the books and pictures telling them what to look for, what to do and what to say but most especially what treat to use to get a dog to get what they want it to do (in my experience very few of these people know much about canine behavior through their own observations and experience but only from of a book).  With all of their tricks, their treats and their words they manage to help those dogs that have no issues but when it comes to dogs that do have issues the answer for the 'science based' (aka Positive Reinforcement) training community is to euthanize the dog for it's own emotional well-being and the safety of the community.  So if they, Positive Reinforcement peeps, can't fix it they simply kill it and while they are killing dogs they waste everyones time writing tripe such as this article to make themselves look like saints and Mr. Millan look like the devil himself.

My husband says that all of the 'treat trainers' (what I call the Positive Reinforcement trainers) are just jealous of Mr. Millan because he came from nothing and without any formal education has been able to make a name for himself and is known worldwide while all they are ever known for really is hating on people who handle dogs differently than they do.   I don't know if he's right or wrong on that but at times, like this article, it certainly appears as if he could be right.

I can only say that if all of you Cesar Millan haters put half as much effort into helping dogs as you put into hating on Mr. Millan there would be extremely few dogs alive that are not wonderfully trained and if your methods are so much better than his then you would be saving many, many, many lives of dogs with behavioral issues; instead of killing them because what you do can't help them.    

In closing I want to point out that I truly do believe that the Positive Reinforcement method, which I'd like to point out here that Mr. Millan uses himself in conjucture with what nature itself has taught him, is a great way to train dogs.  But in my personal experience as a pit bull advocate who helps people find good trainers for their dogs with issues Positive Reinforcement doesn't work for every dog and can't help every dog but is very useful and successful for dogs that are naturally submissive and/or that have not developed any issues.  But for those dogs with issues, issues typically created by human beings who have handled the dogs incorrectly, what Cesar Millan does is a Godsend and in many cases a life saver.

 

caino
Said this on 11/08/2015 At 12:39 pm

love your reply, awesome. Can't stand "snobby" blogs. 

Noah
Said this on 25/04/2015 At 10:54 am

That was beautifully written balanced and well thought out.  I'd say that's better than the original article!!  Good on you!

 

Tamara
Said this on 24/04/2015 At 11:49 pm

Not all dogs are the same, and not all breeds have the same dispositions. As someone who has had rescued dogs since 1999 mostly from "no-kill" shelters, these dogs that came to me all had "behavioral" problems. At one point I had over 40 dogs and I learnt alot from Cesar and the pack mentalilty. I must say this : CESAR MILAN HIMSELF HAS A GIFT - A SPECIAL GIFT WITH UNDERSTANDING DOGS.  Not all cases are the same and not all methods work with every dog, and especially not all people are the same - most of what I learnt about training has come from personal experience and as well "scientific" studies on behaviour. I AM A VET TECH TOO! Most of the dogs that I helped rescue were able to be placed into loving homes, homes that I personally spent time with each adopter to match with each adoptee. After each adoption I spent at least 2 weeks with each family showing them how to be proper "parents" to their new "baby". DOGS ARE NOT BABIES - THEY ARE DOGS! Cesar has all the main points down - a dog who is energetic will get resless and destroy things if he doesn't have an outlet for his energy. Example a german sheppard who is housed in a 2bedroom apartment and who is alone all day and only walked twice a day for 1/2 hour each time.

However, there is not ONLY 1 method of training and when you are dealing with just 1 or 2 dogs, you might need to use 2 different methods for each dog - when I had my 40 + I used several methods of training each INDIVIDUAL DOG and Cesars method of "pack mentality" for the group.I was able to walk 10-15 dogs at a time with no leash down the street and not 1 would fall out of place.

NOT EVERYONE SHOULD BE USING CESARS METHODS - NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT RIGHT, BUT THE HUMAN DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE DOG OR THE TIMNG IS OFF.

A comparison is horse back riding - the timing has to be right to get your horse to do what you ask of it - from walk to trot to canter inside leg, outside leg ect. put an experienced rider on an unexperienced horse, the horse will be able to learn and develope properly - put an inexperienced rider on an experienced horse and that horse most likely will not be able to respond properly to the commands because he is given the wrong signals.(asking the horse to advance while pulling tight on the reins- the horse is confused not disobedient!)

This is the same for dogs. it is up to the human to realize his errors and correct them and that is the only way a dog will be able to "learn properly" when the owner is consistant, the timing is right, the needs of the type of dog are put first, excercise or other forms of stimulation are given ( to reduce boredom ) and then "petting" a human form of showing love ( I have never seen other dogs petting eachother for comfort or love?!)

Take care of the basics in order - use what is necessary for each individual dog (I am not condoning abuse, such as hitting, punching etc.) but the many forms of training including Cesar's if you feel confident and in tune with your dog as a dog (and are not an abusive/aggressive person yourself) and most of all remember that even though you consider your dog a part of the family - HE WILL ALWAYS BE A DOG AND MUST BE TRAINED AND TREATED AS ONE.

Carolyn
Said this on 24/04/2015 At 10:07 am

I do agree with everything you have said, and thank you for taking the time to do it. The modern fashion of denigrating every successful person is nauseating. Cesar Millan deserves his success, as did Konrad Lorenz, who was a great naturlaist, but a human being like all of is, who makde some mistakes and recanted them later.

Climbing up academia, if that is what she is trying to do, on the backs of others by slandering them, is digsusting.

Said this on 22/04/2015 At 08:55 pm

Talk about long-winded! If you bothered to read the article (and the many many other books out there about positive reinforcement), you'd see that Cesar's methods are outdated, cruel, and scientifically unsupportable. But, I don't expect that will happen. You've decided you're right and no amount of evidence will sway you. I feel bad for the dogs in your life.

Max Steele
Said this on 27/04/2015 At 08:56 pm

The troll is strong within this one

Gail
Said this on 21/04/2015 At 07:43 am

Cheryl, unlike you I did read the full article, and like you the first paragraph made me think this wasn't an article on "dogs" but a "bash Cesar Milan" article.  Had you read the whole article, then everything you say would still be relevant.  In fact it is questionable as to who wrote the article.  It seems to be a collection of criticism.  I won't comment on anything you have already pointed out but I have a number of further points to make on the article.

Firstly I am amazed that people have managed to befriend dogs and train them and raise kids for that matter for many, many decades without Science.  Where did intelligence come from before we had controlled experiments and scientific research.  I guess back then we used love, patience, commitment, instinct and trial and error.

Cesar Millan says he got his knowledge from observing and interacting with his grandfather and his grandfather's dogs on their farm.  He does not say he is an expert on wolves.  In fact in one episode he was called in to help a wolf hybrid and he got the assistance of a wolf expert because he said he understood dogs, not wolves.  Perhaps the author(s) did not see that episode.

He doesn't say we need to help them return to their wild nature.  He says we need to provide stable leadership and honour them as dogs and not try to make them into people.  Dogs aren't the only species who could do with stable leadership.  I think we are all praying that one day the human race will have stable leadership.

I have been training dogs for over fifty years but I have had "normal" dogs who have not been unbalanced by people so I am not going to put myself into the same ring as Cesar Millan because every dog he is called to is red zone or has some problem that could lead them to be euthanased.  Everyone needs to read that again.  I love clicker training and using fun with my dogs, and I have powerful breed dogs, but if an aggressive dog is attacking me I'm not going to whip out a clicker.  I'm going to use redirection and other methods that Cesar would use.  I have seen a dog with a wagging tail attack someone so that isn't always a good criteria to use to decide if a dog is happy.

The first paragraph says people have handled their dogs badly after Cesar's methods.  The first thing Cesar teaches is that dogs read our energy.  If you try Cesar's methods while you are angry, impatient or fearful then of course you won't get the same result.  You need to be calm before you can teach a dog anything.

You question his belief that dog's want to have a "job".  Why would you think it isn't innate in all creatures to want something meaningful to do.  Sadly many humans seem to be losing the need to be meaningfully engaged and spend 80% of their day playing and sleeping etc.  What else can a dog do when he is in a house or yard but play, sleep and laze around.  Just give the slightest indication that it is walk time and he will snap to instantaneously.  My dogs prefer to be meaningfully engaged.

You spoke about a Great Dane who was terrified of shiny floors.  Can you imagine how much stress that dog was under on a minute to minute basis with that fear.  Cesar helped him to overcome it and he could walk calmly on the floor.  Gosh I can't believe that you would choose to have a dog terrified of a floor and not be elated when the dog got over the fear.

Cesar does not "kick" dogs.  He uses physical touch to snap them out of fixations.  We do the same thing with kids.  When they pay no attention we make a loud noise or grab their arm to snap them out of it.  You say he gets repeatedly gets bitten.  I have seen him bitten a number of times.  However do the math.  His whole life is helping dogs out of control and if you take the number of dogs and divide it by the times he has been bitten then the word "repeatedly" seems ridiculous. He does not say every dog has dominance issues.  In fact so often owners think they have aggressive and dominant dogs and he says it is fearful or timid.  

I could go on and on and I know no one wants to read a novel but I seriously think that the author(s) need to watch a lot more of the shows and if you really want to be "scientific" about it then go and interview some of the people whose dogs he has rehabilited.  Some things are better judged by the use of the heart than science.  

Jim
Said this on 22/04/2015 At 07:27 pm

Gail, you put into words exactly what I was feeling about the article.  

sally johnson
Said this on 20/04/2015 At 11:31 pm

Totally agree with you...jealousy is a form of flattery..I met CM and truly believe100% with his training methods

David Krek
Said this on 20/04/2015 At 10:41 pm

Anyone who begins with ^ I did not read the article ^ promotes me NOT to read their long-winded opinion.

Cheryl Huerta
Said this on 22/04/2015 At 12:41 am

David,

It's perfectly okay with me that you didn't read my entire comment.  Honestly, I'm fine with it.  However if you can't understand how a person might be quite turned off by any article beginning in the first paragraph to belittle someone, hate on someone or discredit someone then I can't help you.

Take care.

Yuri
Said this on 20/04/2015 At 08:12 am

I personally know all the stated above by this article about ceasar is wrong completely because of the faulty given information. You selectively forgot to mention about half of cesars used psychology and methods and handpicked the worst dog training he has experienced with biting. One of the very few bites. You are clearly just trying to make a name for yourself by highlighting the most bad experiences of another well known persons life. 

And that dog that bit him is now part of his own pack and as soon as he saw it was normal by means of all other pack member dogs that were walking around, he immediatly picked up on that energy and showed submissive to cesar.

The pack mentality works when brought on correctly with respect for the dogs mental specific state. IT WORKS even if theyre not used to it like wolves are. The dogs receive a calm state of mind when they know theyre protected by the human.

It even works on cats the pack mentality psychology methods

Said this on 19/04/2015 At 10:53 pm

I am a dog groomer with 43 years experience working with all kinds of dogs, from tiny to giant. All types of behaviors from aggressive to very submissive, to fear biting. One thing I know for sure, not every method works for every dog. Last year I rescued a small poodle mix who has spent many months, possibly years living on the street, in homeless camps. The first time I tried to groom her, she was very aggressive. Took two people to get this little dog shaved down. She stayed with me, and with positive training( but not food reward), she has changed into a nice, well behaved dog who loves being groomed. If she had been bigger, I would probably have put her down, due to her habit of chasing and trying to bite anyone she saw. I worked with her and figured out it was fear based aggression. So I would have whoever she just chased, hold her and pet her. She didn't like it, it was probably what the author of this article referred to as flooding. But she did learn that she didn't have to be afraid of every person around her so she no longer attacks me or my staff and can go up front to greet clients(as long as they don't reach to grab her) Now she is one the best dogs I have owed but will react agressively with people she doesn't know who try to pet her or pick her up. I have learned some good things from Ceasar M. I also had a different dog in a class with a positve reenforcement trainer who used food as a reward. Different dog = different results with different method. Food only works for some dogs. I met Ceasar M. several years ago because I am a mobile groomer. I have visited his kennel. I was very impressed with the behavior of his "pack". And he once visited my house to give me advice on my 2 dogs, a pit bull mix and a Brussels Griffon. He helped me understand that the little dog was the agressor, not the other way around and they did learn to live together peacefully. Every dog is different, every pet owner is different. What works for one owner with their dog may or may not work for different dog and owner.

Ashley
Said this on 20/04/2015 At 08:45 pm

I couldn't agree more - every dog is different and requires a different training technique. I have worked with and trained dogs for over 10 years and luckily I was schooled in a variety of techniques so I have experience with working in different methods and tailor them to the individual dog. I don't like it when people make blanket statements in regards to dog training because there are just too many variables and one needs to be open to training options. Of course no method should ever be harmful to the dog, there should never be hitting etc, that's not okay!  There are some old antiquated methods out there that are horrific and I can't believe people ever used them, horrifying. 

I too have a Brussels Griffon and of my two dogs he is the alpha and an aggressor/instigator, no one believes it but he is - those sweet Griff faces are deceiving aren't they?

Carmela Romano
Said this on 20/04/2015 At 03:05 am

he reminds me of a bully..it you set up a dog who is protective, of course he'll react, positive or negitive.  I've been a trainer for 35 years and never been a bully like him, and get happier results.

 

Sorrell
Said this on 19/04/2015 At 09:47 pm

If everything he says is wrong then why do the dogs behaviours change... In my experience with the dogs we've grown up with from young children to the dogs I have in my adult life now(ranging from jack Russell,staffs, lurchers, greyhounds, collies,etc..)they have all been brought up to know that my dad was in charge and when I grew up and had my own dogs that's I and my partner are in charge which to those dogs was perfectly acceptable and they were very obedient because of this, my dogs have never had the run of the house they are invited in to sit with us on the sofa and have a cuddle but when that's enough they return to there bed they are walked fed and loved and up till now we have never had a problem, they know we love them and that they are a dog there not my child there my friend/companion this to me is important especially as I have young children and can not afford for anything to go wrong not only for my children's sake but my loyal friends life depends on it because if they were ever to attack my children they would not be rehomed they would be pts so it's hugely important that I make sure there's never any issues... 

Mike
Said this on 20/04/2015 At 10:56 am

There are many ways to affect an animal's (or person's) behavior.
Look up the Quadrants. Negative and Positive Reinforcement, Positive and Negative Punishment. 
The gist is this: Lets say you have a drug problem. Now imagine every time you tried to use drugs, I appeared out of nowhere and punched you in the head. Pretty soon, your automatic reflex would be to flinch and expect a punch every time you wanted to use them.
So sure, you're not using drugs anymore, but are you cured?
No. The psychological issues you had that made you want to use the drugs are still there. This is what Cesar does to dogs.

Leanne
Said this on 20/04/2015 At 01:42 am

I agree with you. I am the same way with my dogs and I have no issues. They have their bountries and do not get run all over the house.  This is mostly due to having to clean up dog hair everywhere.  The dogs totally accept the area they are allowed in.  I do believe it is very important to get the dogs out on a regular schedule for exercise and to help with boredom.  

Tammy Lewis
Said this on 19/04/2015 At 08:45 pm

please get this idiot off tv, I have been sharing his TRUTH for years. He was never ment to be taken as a real dog trainer. Jada and Will Smith found him in Mexico and saw him as a profitable FICTIONAL TV SHOW and put up the money to bring him to the US, gave him English lessons and developed the FICTIONAL SHOW. That is when his character took on a life of it's own and the world bought him as the next great thing. Shame on those countless people who let this lie continue for their own gain. Check court records in how many animal cruelty cases he has had charged against him, with the death of at least 1 dog in his care, all in the name of perpetrating this continued hoax. It is criminal in my mind and NOTHING makes me more angry than his absolutes lack of integrity, compassion, skill, knowledge, all for greed. Please do your research everyone I found all this information very easily, and if can let your tv stations know, (email, letter, phone) how you feel. 

Magus The Gr8
Said this on 20/04/2015 At 10:52 pm

Cesar Milan isn't a joke and neither are his training methods. It's laughable that anyone would claim he's a hoax. Even more laughable that you would use Will and Jada as head hunters for purposes they really don't have time or desires to even ponder. Believe me, Will and Jada don't have time for that. And YES, Cesar is from Mexico and that's ok, that's perfectly fine and normal. That doesn't and shouldn't discredit him as a great dog trainer. There are many people that are not from the U.S. that are great at what they do and do it well. In fact, his methods have really helped me out with my dogs, and guess what?  My dogs are loving, playful, and happy! I have several of his books and there are some high profile very important people he has helped out as well. 

The fact is, haters are going to hate. It's true. I suggest you put your energy on doing something good and focus on what you can do to help others, instead of wasting your time and energy on spewing hate and lies. Cesar Milan doesn't put energy on putting others down, instead he puts energy on helping people and their dogs. He's got a gift with dogs and that's the truth.  Stop hating him for that! 

 

 

Cheryl Huerta
Said this on 20/04/2015 At 09:48 pm

Ms. Lewis.  Personally know one of the people who 'discovered' Mr. Millan and this person is not Will Smith or Jada Pinkett Smith.

People see exactly what they want to see and what reflects who they are inside.  That you see what you have stated when you look at Mr. Millan and that you choose to spread propaganda and innuendo about him speaks a lot more to you and what sort of person you are than it does to the sort of person Mr. Millan is.

Adrienne
Said this on 19/04/2015 At 07:42 pm

To all those who make assumptions that trainers criticizing his methods are jealous of Millan's success, consider that if we were truly "jealous" as you say, then why would we fully support successful trainers and dog behavior professionals who have a real education like Jean Donaldson, Patricia McConnell, Sophia Yin.  Doesn't make sense at all!  Truth is, we would love it if people would open their eyes and recognize that these professionals with an education are the real experts in the field, instead of naively being brain washed by an actor who can't even read dog body language, has no education whatsoever and uses outdated methods of decades ago. As the late resepcted dog trainer Leah Roberts used to say " Training your dog by watching Cesar Millan is like performing an appendectomy by watching Grey's Anatomy."

Laurel
Said this on 19/04/2015 At 05:34 pm

People are attracted to whatever appears to be the fastest, easiest approach to any kind of solution to any kind of problem. Hence it is no mystery as to why people with dog problems are attracted to CM. The 'magic' of television makes it look like these dogs are 'cured' in one, short, sweet, episode. However enticing that prospect might be, it's a myth. But people don't know that, it looks good to them.

Your average pet dog trainer may produce fairly quick results if you'e talking simple obedience training. But if your dog has real 'issues', it is going to take time to correct the underlying psyche. If you try to apply bandaides to deeper wounds, you may achieve a temporary fix, but it will, in time, back fire on you, when it finally erupts.

Remember too, a good trainer is really training you, as much if not more so than the dog: Teaching you how to see the world through your dog's eyes, how to work with his instincts instead of trying to eradicate them, how to build a bond with the dog that is mutually gratifying.

You're not going to get the help YOU need from a TV show or a video.  You need that feedback from the real, live trainer watching you work with your dog, correcting your own bad habits, watching the body language of you and the dog and explaining the communication that is happening between you and the dog and the environment as it unfolds. The things you'll never notice left to your own devices and a tv show.

It's not that what needs doing is so terribly hard to do, but tackling serious behavioral issues does take time, consistency and, it takes all the family members being on the same page and working with a good trainer who is there with you. The hard part is relearning your own behavior and giving up the myths you grew up with, like thinking that dominance and aggression equals alpha.

CM makes it look easy and fast. People want to hear that. But that doesn't make it so. He's also easy to find and that's not something you can say for trainers who are really qualifed and capable of showing you how to rehabilitate a dog who has already developed some serious issues.

Cheryl Huerta
Said this on 20/04/2015 At 09:53 pm

I personally know two different people who do not know one another that personally know Mr. Millan, have worked with him and have been present when he works with dogs.   That 'instantaneous' behavior improvements you see on the show are in REAL TIME.

While Mr. Millan may make it look easy he has never once in the over ten years I've been watching his shows insinuated that it was easy.  Not once.  He is NOT responsible for what his viewers believe is possible but is only responsible for showing people what IS possible with calm, asssertive leadership, patience, persistence and commitment.  Now does that sound 'fast and easy' to you?

Love dogs
Said this on 19/04/2015 At 03:32 pm

The biggest issue I have with this very long and relentless article is that it continually points out all the things wrong with Cesar's methods and techniques but does not tell you how to resolve the behaviour problem "correctly" it references situations from the show that are a very short snap shot of the entire issue. There is far more involved than the 15-20 minutes you see on the show. Much more time spent with the dog and the owners getting to know the whole problem. To comment about how Cesar corrected the issue without being in the situation, talking to the owners at the time and without all the knowledge surrounding that particular circumstance is reckless.

Said this on 20/04/2015 At 09:07 pm

The very reason this article does not  tell you how to resolve the problem is because every sindgle do is an individuall and a legitimate behaviorist would never attempt to diagnose or ttreat any animal without seeing it and taking the time to understand and properly address the issue. As stated, the problem could very well be a medical condition.  

I have always had concerns with Mr. Millan's "training" methods. And it is not "jealousy", as someone stated - good trainers refer to each other for many reasons. I could not in good conscience refer anyone to Mr. Millan.

My dogs Momma
Said this on 19/04/2015 At 02:39 pm

I don't totally disagree with ALL of CM's methods, but I also don't agree with ALL of his methods either.

I believe all dogs are different with different issues, just like humans & what training method worked on one dog may not work on the next.

I don't think there is 1 fix all training method out there for all dogs. Unfortunately, there are enough dog issues requiring all types of training. There is room for all (most) of them.

I will say this, after watching the a more recent episode of CM, now that I have a little more experience knowing what to look for as far as signs of a dog being stressed, etc. Every episode I watched, I saw a dog that was being "trained" by CM as a scared dog. Their tails were tucked between their legs.
One owner questioned him on this. She was concerned that her dog was so scared. He said the dog would be scared at first because it was new to him. But it would take time & he wouldn't be. I was shocked by this & sad for all the dogs that I had been seeing on these shows.
I don't believe any dog should be scared going through training. What is that teaching them?
But, I will admit, I am not a trainer. I haven't even owned enough dogs to pretend to be one.
I am friends with trainers (each use different methods, 1 even closely uses CM method)

I really hope people will do their research before choosing a trainer & not just choose one because its affordable or close to home. Ask for references, credentials...etc. Your dog depends on YOU to do whats right for them. And remember every dog is different. If one trainer is making you uncomfortable in their methods, your dog is probably uncomfortable too...time for a new trainer!

Lisa
Said this on 19/04/2015 At 10:36 am

I have no scientific back ground to state that i can give a scientific answer, however i have had two dogs who have had fear agression issues in my time. One which was never resolved due to my inexperience, the other I am working with now who we are building a positive relationship with conditioning. I lead the way but i am not dominating her world where there are detrimental consequences to her personality.

In both situations went to various trainers, and basically some were professionally trained and some have had an awful lot of experience. In response to this article where the trainer is not feeding their ego, is where I have got my best result because ultimately that is when the trainer is soley there for the dog and their owner.

I think the comment just because i have had dogs all my life doesnt make me a dog trainer, and just because i have a peice of paper also doesnt make the qualification justified.

unfortunately how does the public differientiate at limit risk to their dog, unfortunatley they cant because everyone is trying to sell their experiences, and what works for one certainly does not fit for all, some of CM may be the answer but how many casualties are there along the way

Sue
Said this on 19/04/2015 At 07:03 am

Rachel:  I'm guessing you bad mouthed Mr. Millan because you most likely were the one he was flipping the bird to. So you decided to bad mouth him with a very long article without a whole lot of basis. He's successful, & you're not. Sorry you reacted so poorly & unprofessionally. I've had dogs for 45 years, not just 10. I don't agree with every single decision he makes, but I agree with most. Having a pack leader is most definitely the number one thing I DO agree with. If you have more than one dog, how the heck do they know who's in charge, if you are not their pack leader? WHen you're doing as well as he is.....then you can "speak" for your reward!

Cheryl Huerta
Said this on 20/04/2015 At 09:56 pm

Sue...I couldn't have said it any better myself although I tried in my response to this article that I simply refused to read in it's entirety because it's so difficult to want to read something that is so negative and is 100% the author's personal opinion.

Lisa Baker
Said this on 19/04/2015 At 08:02 pm

I couldn't agree more with Sue.......

con
Said this on 19/04/2015 At 01:29 pm

Sorry but you're a fool. Did you read this article at all? Dogs are not wolves!! When wolves domesticated into dogs there was no such thing as a pack anymore, they turned into scavengers meaning there's no more top dog. This whole pack leader nonsense is only active with a pack of wolves!!! Dogs evolved with human leaving the pack life style behind.

For example in a wolf pack only the top dog will breed with all the females because he has the strongest genes, therefore making the pack stronger. Once those wolves started scavenging off humans there was no need for a pack to hunt so these wolves/dogs started to mate with any other wolf/dog. Hence no more pack.

By simply feeding our dogs, they already know just by that supply of food we are their leader(food resource), there is absolutely no need to "dominate" your dog. 

 

Do your research before you make silly comments.

Kathy
Said this on 23/04/2015 At 07:33 am

I just want to point out one thing about your comment. You mention that there is always a dominant male that breeds with all the females...

This is false, wolves are monogamous. 

Tina
Said this on 22/04/2015 At 10:28 pm

You think that if you feed a dog that makes you his leader? You obviously have no experience of dogs so don't talk nonsense! If you give a dog food when he asks for it then he is controlling you and you are definitely not in charge. You need to learn a lot more about dog behaviour. Of course you have to be dominant to your dog - that is not a bad thing if it is done properly without aggression. My male Tibetan terrier is extremely well behaved and is always admired because he knows the rules and behaves accordingly. He still has fun and loves to be with us. I've trained all my dogs with Caesar's methods and only had great results. If you're not getting the results it's because you're not doing it properly. People don't like CM because he says the fault lies with the owner and not with the dog and most people won't accept that. If you don't like him then just change the channel!

sue
Said this on 19/04/2015 At 03:36 am

this topic isn't understood fully by the general public or many dog trainers that still use old out dated methods, i am sure Cesar means well,and its easy to impress the public, behavior is more complex in understanding then what people perceive in what they are seeing and what is really going on.        Susanne

Mario
Said this on 19/04/2015 At 01:36 am

Bla bla bla bla bla." Scientific" rubbish. He is different and succesfull that's why they are jelous. .

Aspen
Said this on 19/04/2015 At 12:37 am

Although I do understand the article and the thought that was put into it, but keep in mind that CM grew up watching the behavior of "untamed" and doesn't really need a scientific background to understand the ways a digs mind works. He go better results and any other trainer I know. So quit hating, his methods are working, and they aren't ruining the dog. 

 

Dogs will always have instincts, he's bringing them out and using them to help the dog learn how to work the problem. Relax people, he knows what he's doing, for gods sakes. 

Sheila
Said this on 18/04/2015 At 11:57 pm

I am not sure that "tens of scientists, trainers and behavioral science organizations" are quite enough to negate the many scientific studies that have been performed on wolf behavior in the wild. Refering to behavior of captive wolves as proof is not valid. Wolf pups and domestic pups exhibit submissive behavior by rolling onto their backs and exposing their stomachs. The discipline that wolf parents demonstrate towards misbehaving pups is by putting them onto their backs in this posture and holding them down by the throat until they give in. This is the same technique that CM uses in his training. Domestication of dogs has basically stopped their maturation. Essentially, domesticated dogs are in perpetual puppyhood. They still retain natural instincts but don't know what to do with them. A study of ferral domestic dogs in Italy found that the hunting instinct still exists but that it doesn't progress beyong puppy behavior of chasing and playing with there "prey". When they kill something they eat very little of it because they have not developed the conection between hunting and food. The idea that CMs method comes from the Nazis is ridiculous. His method is not cruel if used properly. It is not useful with all dog breeds though. I have used his technique on my very dominant Lab and it worked well but I didn't use it on my Great Pyrenees. It would not have worked with her and could have damaged her mentally. Training methods should be studied and the temperament of the dog should be seriously considered. People who abuse animals shoud be prosecuted but the abuse is a choice these people make and has nothing to do with the training technique they were supposedly using.

Said this on 18/04/2015 At 07:13 pm

   I fully support the article and question CM's methods. Control = Ego based, not acceptable in any healthy relationship. I have raised and bred multiple species of animals as well as maintaining from 1 to 3 dogs in environments from apartments to mini-ranches. I don't train my dogs, I RAISE MY DOGS. Let me repeat that I raise my dogs.

    Dogs, just like kids, horses, cats and fellow employees THRIVE on positive feedback  ( don't you love to hear it?) with some consistent limit setting-NOT punishment- limit setting for innappropriate behavior. Imposing force or 'cornering' and animal causes affective violence. 'Flooding is cruel ( learned helplessness mentioned in article) not to be confused with progressive de-sensitizaton. Personally as a horse owner, I never try to de-spook a horse, if the horse is spooky that's its nature, I provide the horse with a preferred behavior response to the "SCARY THING" and reward with safety and security for the preferred behavior reaction. Result; horse behaves in a consistant and safe 'spook move' and I respond by appreciating his/her warning and 'agree' to help the horse to a place he/she feels safe.

  In short, I support the article's premise there are far more consistant, scientific methods that can be used by anybody, not just experts such as CM. How embarrassing, Cesar actually is making a very large ---- of himself, training with his big EGO.

  My creds; Training in behavioral science with > 25 years experience in a clinical setting, including training employees how to deal with behavior.

Cm fan
Said this on 18/04/2015 At 05:49 pm

Cm gets result. No wonder we have dogs misbehaving as society is. Look whats happened today from kids no respect. Dogs need to be trained by whatever works. They are Animals at the end of the day. 

Rebecca
Said this on 18/04/2015 At 10:14 am

Hi I do like Caesar but I don't agree with all of his methods, as every dog is different and you can't treat them all with the same concept. For example my dog when I had her I was very low in self confidence like I'm sure many children are when they get a dog and then the dog brings out that confidence by being a dog because like ceaser says a dog doesn't care if your short, tall, fat, thin, rich, poor. So going by what ceaser says for a healthy pack I shouldn't of had her because I wasn't a stable pack leader, but on the contrary I brought her up from 6 weeks old with the support of my parents and she was fine, we had no behavioural problems, she learnt her boundaries, she learnt she had to obey me as pack leader (I do believe in pack leadership, will explain more later), until she was about two years old, there was an incident where she was viciously attacked my two much larger dogs, it traumatised me and her too, now I'm not able to let her off leash for fear she will attack another dog and either I get into trouble as most other owners don't even try a let me explain when she lunges and barks for their dogs they just look at me as if to say I shouldn't have her she should be put to sleep, I've tried everything and when I say everything I mean everything, I've tried the calm confident walk past another dog and it hasn't worked, the only thing that works is the very rare occasion when an off lead dog approaches me I fuss over it and give my dog the command to leave and it works, there was only once it didn't go as planned as she tried to attack a dog that I was fussing, but I told her no and calmly but authoritivly told her to sit back down and leave, I didn't use any pysical force and then she was fine when she was calmer the other dog walked away. From those few occasions I know I need to resocialise her, with as many dogs as possible but I don't know many other dogs and as as I've said not a lot of people allow me to explain on her walks and I can't afford a trainer to do it for me and plus she is very attached to me and only does it with me so a if could afford a trainer there's no saying he could do anything anyway. She has improved very slowly over the years but not fully, she has never gotten the chance to even attack a dog with me as I always have 100% control. I know she is not an aggressive dog, she hasn't got an aggressive bone in her body, it's just she is unsure and she wants to protect me. As for me explaining more about my belief in pack leadership I now have two dogs have had two for three years (the second was one of the attempts to help the first attack less dogs, but he's a wimp and she protects him too) both of these dogs know I'm leader and they get what they need/want from me. Somebody I know also has two dogs, this person also lives with me and my family so in my home there is four dogs, when the owner of the other two dogs aren't around you wouldn't know four dogs were in the house, because they know what is expected of them from myself and my parents being the leaders, as soon as the owner of the other two dogs enters the house all hell breaks loose because they don't get let out for the toilet when they should they don't have there boundaries set so as well as this persons two dogs misbehaving my two have cottoned on and do it too, this other persons two dogs also fight when the owner is home because each of them think the owner belongs to them, there is no structure between them no pack leader and no boundaries.

Damien Sin
Said this on 18/04/2015 At 08:55 am

If you scientists, trainers and the likes disapprove CM methods. Please train and correct the dogs' behaviour to or even better quality of CM methods and also train the quantity of dogs that can match what CM had achieved. If you can't, you are what the Internet people called 'NATO' - no action talk only.

You will need a solid evidences to prove a master dog trainer (CM) wrong when he have been using his method for years and have plwnry of significant result(s). He even train and correct dogs that other trainers deem they are untrainable and saved many human - dogs relationship and even dog lives when the dogs are on the verge of been put down. 

Stop using theory and studies to shoot people down that are better and stronger than you. Doing this is like you are a failed politicians trying to have a come back which will not happen.

Linda
Said this on 18/04/2015 At 06:39 am

While I can agree with some of the comments, I find most of the responses somewhat childish and idiotic, almost as though most of you are falling all over the idea that Ceaser might in fact be wrong (oh no! how could he be wrong when so many of the aired episodes show the dog being cured?!) . Having read through the article, I have to say that most of these statements are correct enough. I myself have watched plenty of episodes of The Dog Whisperer and some of them actually make me feel uncomfortable. Without fail, Ceaser continues to talk about dominance issues, or their place in a pack when in reality most of these issues stem from a natural based instinct within the dogs and have nothing to do with being fitted into a category amongst a 'pack' at all. While yes, some of his methods work, that doesn't make it any less wrong that he uses his 'alpha' gig as an excuse to make some of these dogs uncomfortable (at best) and to attack him (at worst) and claim he was hoping for it. When a child is angry, you don't back the kid into a corner and stare him down in the hopes he'll stop throwing a tantrum, do you? How can you claim it's fair to do this to a dog? What I'm trying to say here is generally a dog will have some deep-seated issues and that sometimes it's not able to be cured by some 'pack' and 'dominance issue' theory. What works with one dogs issues doesn't mean it will work with other dogs who have the same thing.

And for all of you who are scrambling to say Ceaser is always right or basically kissing imaginary ass, just remember that there are quite a few episodes they've decided not to air (you know, where Ceaser can't magically cure a dog with nothing but a lead, a swimming pool and his can-do attitude)

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