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    Posted: 31 December 2010 at 8:27am
Hi,
I wonder if anyone can give me some advice. I recently got a new puppy. He is a retriever cross and is 11 weeks old. I have two problems that I would love some help with.
1 - At night when he is put in his crate he barks and howls incessently- and I mean incessently. All through the night without a stop. I actually don't know how he keeps it up! This also makes it extremly difficult for me to go into him to reward and praise him when he is quiet as he doesn't stop! Is there anything I can do to resolve this?

2- Now this is the one I am more worried about. We also have a 20 month old dog, a flat coat retriever/collie cross. She is an absolute dote but is shy around dogs. If she meets them on the beach/walks etc she is fine and will play with them but other than that is nervous. She has become extremly stressed over the last few days since we got the pup. She is slinking around the house clinging to the walls so she doesn't have to go near him, is shivering and shaking and has gone off her food :( I knew it was not going to be an easy transition but I didn't think her reaction would be so severe.
Is there anything I can do to help her? I can't bear to have her like this and I feel so guilty that I have taken away her happy life. If she stays like this then I am going to have to try and rehome the puppy- a step I really do not want to have to take :(
Please please help.Cry
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Well I always found walking my dogs was how they bonded. I know you cant walk your pup very far but even ten minutes together will help. Also my dogs all have their spots to relax in and I used to stop the puppies from bothering them when they were in their spot. The first few weeks will be tough, but establish a routine and stick to it and puppies soon learn. My german shepherd was a terror as a pup and I'd say I spent the first six months telling him to stop:-). Surprised he didn't think it was his name!! Regarding the crying at night, I always gave them a chewy and the radio on low. But they spent their first week in my room. Its a big change for them as pups.
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Its all adjustment the pup should not have the run of the place as resentment sets in on the older dogs part. I had this worry when introducing a new dog last year but it wasnt fretting I was worried over it was the opposite! fighting. I was introducing an adult dog to the mix. but with restricting the time the new dog spent about he just blended in after a few weeks. use a puppy pen/crate or both during the day for the pup and keep the pup restricted to the kitchen let the other dog the usual freedom and lavish attention on the dog not the pup!! they will learn who is top dog whether it be the pup /the dog in time. but it takes time.
 
Story recently my mum took on my brothers dog he left the country so she only had them that was in august, she pined a bit but we kept routein for her and she is grand now a few weeks ago mam took a pup from me and that was another new situation she had to get used to . We use the crate with the pup and the sitting room , where my bros dog has kitchen and the garden. \the pup is toileted in the garden on lead so she wasnt bothering the dog. they accept each others company and there is no puppy on her head all the time. they need to learn how to respect the older dog and they only do this with time.  they can be free together but NOT at mealtimes thats just like fuel on a fire so ensure to feed separately till everyone realises they have not lost anything but gained a friend!
 
In my home here My lot would all eat from the same trough if let with no arguements at all because they have learned that it doesn't gain attention. they are however fed separately. I am actually amazed and lucky really. the only one that will get angry is Suki she loves her chew to herself and will warn off the others and turn her back they do not persist in trying to take it they respect her and thats all got to do with them learning for themselves the limits that they can reach with each other and slowly :) hope that was a bit of confidence for you. they will get there dont let your older dog be put out by the new boldie :) it will settle down but loads of time.LOL
The morning howl is driving me mad!
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Thanks a million for the replies. I do crate him during the day but once again as soon as he goes in he starts shouting his head off. He barked and cried all last night too. I have read differing opinions on what to do with a new pup at night, some say to spend the first week or so camped out beside the crate to give pup reassurance that you are not gone anywhere and some say to move the crate to the bedroom where he can still see/smell you. Not sure what to do at this stage - do I just keep going as I have been i.e. crating at night and just letting him shout all night and during the day when I put him in? Or do I change tactics?
It's hard during the day as his crate is in the kitchen and once he starts barking I can't go back in until he stops and this prevents me from doing a lot of things around the house. Or could I go in and out of the kitchen even when he is barking but just completely ignore him? Sorry about all the questions but we didn't have this problem with our first dog!! Wasn't a peep out of her even on the first night we brought her home.
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Its hard work alright!! I personally only used a crate for my last dog as I didn't really know enough about them. I used it as a place for naps for the dog. She was out around with access to it by day. I put toys and treats there and used to feed her there too. I think if you're open to the idea of having it in your room by night just for maybe 2 weeks. Having said that, I do have 2 cockers who think its their royal entitlement to sleep upstairs!! Never quite got around to kicking them out:-). Adult dogs I find are generally put out by pups for the first few weeks. This tiny thing flying at them for fun! But dont worry. They will set their boundaries in time. My german shepherd worshipped my cocker from the day I got her and happily let her chew on him. My other cocker despised her and would sulk upstairs until she gradually wore him down with licks and now he loves her too! One tip I used was not to make a fuss of the pup in front of the other dogs. Its group hugs all the way.
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We use a blanket to stop the barking ! and you can move in and out of the room all the time ignoring the barking that is unless its for peeing /food etc!LOL hard work yes LOL frequent breaks though! use a baby gate on the kitchen to stop pup escaping all over house and the crate becomes more useful for quiet times then as they have freedom of the one room. don't use it all day +m+ind o+r it be+comes a prison not a tool.
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Things have now gone from bad to worse.
Crate training is coming along fine now. But our other dog is not.
This morning she went for the puppy and I don't know what she would have done if I hadn't been there to get him away from her Cry She meant business. I don't know what to do and am at a loss as to know what is best for both dogs. Don't know if I am fighting a losing battle.
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It is all part of the course. Did the older dog actually do harm to the pup? or was it all snarl n growl posturing/pinning ? We had issue between Millie and Sasha boxer cross in the beginning with my mum when she took on a pup. Sasha was having none of her. but we gave out to Sasha n we keep millie separate COMPLETELY .
 They need space away but under ths same roof to get to know that each is there to stay.  how did they get together? the pup maybe should be on a lead around the other dog so there is control. It takes time WEEKS not days. there must be no food/treats/ near the older dogs bed/dishes etc about when the pup is about its fuel to a fire.
Millie n sasha are in separate rooms and are only together for wees out the back. but there has been NO snarling n growl since. warnings are given to sasha to be good but not so much any more. Sasha has not found that millie is of use to her yet n there is still alot of looking and posturing but NO agressiveness Sasha knows that her place is safe in the house and doesn't mind her too much. she can tolerate millie but no way would i leave them alone for a second just yet. thats now 7 weeks together. Every situation is different. Sasha was an only dog and a dominant dog for 4 years we knew how she would react.
Sasha has always been like this when off lead if she met another dog she would tbone the other dog and stand over it and make the dog submit. She does not fight though. has never faught. she just has to always get the upper hand. but none of this was acceptable and she had to know that too.
It is a long road where dogs are concerned some if brought up accepting other dogs etc and socialised well do not have issues with bringing another dog into the home others are stir crazy about it. Now Sasha SULKED her way around. but we found the triggers for sasha it was her feet now millie knows this and doesnt bother with her feet. we also desensitised sasha by play tugging her legs n toes gently when millie was about on the lead and she kind of got over that fairley quickly.
 
See how things go its way too early to give up please perservere a while longer but be confident you are in control of the situation always.
we are now tieing millie to the chair in the kitchen and around sasha so sasha has the chance to be away from her or near her. now they are both able to get small treat when near each other n loads of positive reinforcement for sasha Millie is fine but sasha needs the work. its all part of owning doggies but don't give up. don;t let there be a situation that the pup is loose around the olderdog untill they are happy and you are too. There are other people on here that may have more tips but thats from my experience with recent introductions anyway. i hope that helps you.
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Can really recommend walking them. We used to foster dogs and walking was the best way to get them into the 'pack' mode. Dogs that could be ready to fight ending up walking either side of me without even looking at each other. Takes a bit of correction at the start of the walk but they soon get into it. Would suggest a good walk in the morning to calm the pup down a bit and then maybe your older dog wouldn't be as over whelmed with the pup. Make sure the pup is given clear boundaries too and doesn't over step the mark. If the pup is under control maybe the older dog wouldn't feel like they have to correct him?
Just noticed this is from a while back..... how are things now? Did they work out?
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This is probably not the ideal solution for your night problem but I can tell you what I did. I pulled the crate up by the couch and slept on couch beside her............I had too or all my 4 kids would have been woken with her howl! Two nights in total I slept beside her, I left the radio on for another 5 or 6 nights (and a small lamp), then we cut out the radio and finally the light.
I didnt read other replies sorry if I echoed someone else.... 
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